As of November 2nd, Anjali's expedition to bring back irrefutable evidence of the existence of physical ETs inside a physical base inside Wayne's mountain is "postponed". On Aliengirl111's podcast, Anjali said that when she visited Wayne in California at the end of October he revoked all access to his property.
There are two ways of viewing this story. Either we take Anjali at her word - which leaves us puzzling over the inconsistencies (not to mention Wayne's improbable naivety) - or we assume she's not always truthful and transparent. Which approach gives us a more accurate interpretation of what's really going on? And what happens next?
Unless Wayne speaks up with the truth, we'll never know what really happened that day in January 2018 when he met Angelia Schultz in a coffeeshop. Maybe for his own amusement he tricked her into believing he met aliens on top of his mountain and was compelled to dig a tunnel to their base. Maybe she misunderstood or misremembered his jokes about aliens. Maybe she had an experience on drugs that she later wrongly interpreted as physical aliens in a physical tunnel.
Given her manner and conviction, my impression was that Anjali believed her story when she first told it in March. But even then, things didn't add up:
By the end of July they had reconnected, which Anjali said at the time was due to a death, but on the Aliengirl111 podcast she described how she was "panic-contacting Wayne and Trisha because I [felt] nearly compelled to announce a formation of an expedition team to return to the base." Whatever compulsion she felt, the fact is this recount obscures the fact that she announced the expedition before she had heard from the property owners.
Anjali (and her partner Max) said they were on board, involved, excited, and ready:
"I've also found it absolutely fascinating how onboard Wayne and Trisha truly are." [Max on Reddit, Aug 17, 2021]
"he’s very much involved in this process... he's gonna be standing right up front beside me. So we're very excited about this whole process. They’re ready. They are ready when the beings are ready and when the team is ready." [Anjali on Jimmy Church, Aug 25, 2021]
Two months later we're told Wayne decided he would not allow anyone onto his property because he saw the negative attention another man was getting for either being mistaken for Wayne or pretending to be Wayne. He and Trisha didn't want "their private lives being threatened by... freaks" - despite being absolutely fine with their privacy being destroyed forever once evidence of Wayne's historic discovery was brought forth. Contradicting everything she'd said before about Wayne and Trisha's readiness, Anjali said the situation was "always so fragile", and that they were "very hesitant about anyone wanting on their property in the first place". [Anjali on Aliengirl111, Nov 2, 2021]
The next day she discarded the previous explanation and tweeted that Wayne revoked permission because of his health, which the day before she'd mentioned only as an aside: "by the way, Wayne, his cancer has worsened..."
Being sick or publicity-shy aren't plausible reasons to doom humanity to exile in Orion. Wayne's behavior, by Anjali's account, has been inexplicable. But that is what we're supposed to believe.
Anjali could say whatever she wanted about Wayne until the day she was told he'd been identified. It's easy to make up stuff about an anonymous person. Once he becomes real, you have to answer to him. And Wayne wants "nothing to do with it".
It's pretty clear he never wanted anything to do with it.
According to two people who told me personally they'd called Wayne, he gets very angry when people ask him about aliens. If he's a reasonable man, he knows there are no aliens in his mountain eager to softly disclose themselves. If there were, they wouldn't be stopped by one man changing his mind due to privacy or health or anything else. Wayne was never going to retain his privacy; and he could avoid the stress of the expedition by taking a vacation that weekend.
Did he tell Anjali, or did he feed her fantasy? I can only hope he did tell her the truth - even if not in 2018, surely in 2021 when he discovered she'd placed him in a co-starring role.
Either she didn't believe him, or she did and has been lying ever since to save face.
So, there are no reasons for Wayne "revoking" permission since he'd never granted it. He never expected or wanted people on his land looking for non-existent tunnels or thinking he believes in aliens. He has angrily denied the aliens story (while using Anjali's real name, proving he knows her) and he wants this to go away.
But Anjali won't go away: "You can’t invite a former Pentagon Defense Intelligence agent to your home and take them to meet extraterrestrials in a tunnel, and then expect they’re going to go away. That’s not going to happen." [Anjali on Aliengirl111, Nov 2, 2021]
Anjali has not devoted every waking hour, as she claims, to organizing an expedition. She knew the expedition would never happen. She did not assemble a team. She can't even talk intelligently about the "equipment to measure" that would be taken into the tunnel. This means she always planned to cancel the expedition (or perhaps invent a report after declaring it had taken place secretly). If Wayne had remained anonymous, she could have told us anything she liked about him, his aliens, and her expedition.
Instead, she's doing damage control to appease him and hoodwink us. She avoids questions about her relationship with him (specifically, if he ever gave permission for access to his property). Her Nov 2 tweet where she says "My intentions are to press forward" with the expedition is not believable.
Anjali revealed this fresh twist on the message six days ago, in a series of coordinated tweets that put in doubt her assertion that higher beings were the source of the information. Other than to change her profile pic and answer a question about why she follows zero people, she has not returned to address the fear or ridicule left in her wake, and nor has she posted a more comprehensive explanation on Reddit or YouTube - either of which would be more appropriate platforms.
We have only five years to learn how to upload information-rich metadata into each other's brains - a skill not one human on the planet has ever mastered. Soft disclosure was supposed to result in the beings helping us prepare for this. For some reason, soft disclosure can only take place in Wayne's mountain, and he's not interested.
Don't be surprised if Anjali stops talking about the expedition. Obviously it can never happen.
Don't be surprised if Anjali opens a meditation center in her sacred geometry home, for the purpose of teaching conscious communication with higher beings. She'll never mention conscious communication between humans again.
Anjali keeps saying that fear prevents transcendence. Of course the Earth is not going to be wiped clean by the Sun in 2027, so there's nothing to fear there. Judging from Twitter, however, plenty of people do believe something like this will happen around that time. Anjali has a ready-made audience. Don't be surprised to see her feeding their fears and gathering a flock. When disclosure, transcendence, and the apocalypse fail to eventuate these are the ones who'll believe whatever new excuse she gives and dig themselves in ever deeper.
Anjali was once an earnest experiencer with poor perception, no curiosity, delusions of grandeur, and an inflated sense of her own infallibility. As the lies and evasions pile up, the word fraud seems more applicable.
My perspective on the developments in the Anjali story this past week (on Reddit).
While Travis Walton's abduction tale aboard a flying saucer is beat-for-beat almost identical to a couple of Heinlein stories, a few details seem to have been drawn from other science fiction sources of the era.
Curt Collins posted a 1967 comic on UFO UpDates with aliens and their "surgery" that bear similarities to Travis's alleged experience. Then there's Captain Kirk's command chair, Dr McCoy's medical equipment, and the 2001: A Space Odyssey cockpit screens and buttons...
Not to disparage classic science fiction, which at the time looked futuristic, but I'd be so disappointed if a real alien spaceship looked like it came from the imaginations of 1960s Hollywood writers.
Read my update with illustrations and quotes from Travis's book.
I've updated a couple of transcripts on the site that previously were paraphrased, for both Anjali's press conference and her appearance on Jimmy Kicked Me Out Before I Came In Church's podcast.
Two interesting points came to light that I hadn't paid attention to before. According to Anjali:
I am not convinced (not even slightly) that Wayne has given explicit permission for Anjali to return to his property before the end of the year, where she believes he dug a tunnel to an alien base. The following is based on my recent tweetstorm about this concerning aspect of her story. Rather than address the permissions issue, she blocked me.
Does Anjali have Wayne’s explicit permission to bring a team of scientists and other experts with their “equipment to measure” onto his land in 2021 and enter his tunnel to bring back evidence from the Cave of Wonders?
Let’s back up a little. Did Wayne dig a tunnel through the mountain in his backyard? Apparently he told Anjali that he did, as unlikely as that seems, after seeing UFOs then meeting two aliens on his mountain. Read about his alleged feat here.
Was Wayne yanking her chain? Embellishing a more “spiritual” experience he had while meditating? We only know what Anjali tells us and she thinks not, since she has a fuzzy memory of meeting aliens, later clarified through hypnoregression.
What exactly is Anjali’s relationship with Wayne? Has she – to use her terminology – "overstated" his support? Like she overstated her drug use, and Max overspoke Wayne’s recovery from cancer?
Anjali met Wayne & the aliens in Jan 2018, spoke to him briefly the next day, “exchanged several texts” but never got together. Her conscious contact with the beings increased, which I expect she told Wayne about – and “the responses stopped coming.”
Jump ahead to March 2021 when Anjali comes out on Reddit because a peaches-n-cream light being told her it was time. She had not been in touch with Wayne for 2 years DESPITE TRYING. Why wouldn’t he take a call from the lady who kept texting him about talking to aliens?
July: Despite NO CONTACT in at least two years, and Wayne not returning her calls for 4 months, Anjali announces an expedition back to the tunnel because she trusts the beings won't lead her astray regarding matters of trespassing.
Aug 10: Anjali is back in touch with Wayne! Max is asked outright if they have his permission for the expedition – you’d think this is a yes/no question, wouldn’t you? But the evasive answers begin.
Aug 17: Press conference. Anjali again does not specify that Wayne is supportive of the expedition, only of the presser itself with a vague comment about his support “in this effort”. Max adds his own odd comment later the same day.
Aug 25: A very odd thing happens. Anjali posts that she AND Max are FaceTiming the soon-to-be world’s-most-famous couple Wayne & Trisha. Then 12 days later she edits the post to remove Max’s name. I can’t explain it. She overstated Max's videoconferencing appearances?
Although we found Wayne, confirmed by Anjali to be THE Wayne... ...in a phone call on Sep 8th he angrily denies knowledge of an alien base on his property. This is mere days after Anjali was FaceTiming Wayne (above). Is Wayne on board or not?
Next day, Anjali panic-tweets about Wayne’s ruthless armed guards. Six tweets, not one word about his knowledge of or permission for the forthcoming invasion of his property and worldwide exposure of himself due to having Lavvybeans in his mountain.
Sep 13: Steven Cambian asks Anjali that same direct yes/no question about whether Wayne is aware of Anjali’s expedition. We get the evasiveness we've come to know and love:
Sep 30: Anjali reiterates she trusts the beings’ guidance, with a carefully worded tweet that again fails to confirm she HAS Wayne’s permission, only that his permission would be needed. As usual, no response when I asked that pesky direct yes/no question…
Oct 1: Here comes the careful wording again. Anjali says the expedition won’t happen if permission is revoked – yet she has never confirmed permission was given. [As above, she did not explicitly confirm it during the presser, either.]
In conclusion we don't know if Anjali’s expedition has Wayne’s explicit approval. She could be transparent about it, but I kinda don’t trust her anymore. Now I kinda want actual evidence of his approval. All we have is his explicit DENIAL the base exists.
We have an unnamed team, no expedition date until it's over, Wayne's denial the alien base exists, and Anjali's evasiveness about whether she CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW has his permission. It's not making much sense to me.
On Sep 13, 2021, Anjali appeared on Steven Cambian's Truthseekers podcast, and god help me I've transcribed it here.
Prior to arranging the interview, Steven said he had learned who "Wayne" is - the guy with cancer who met aliens on his mountain, became obsessed with digging to their underground base, and took Anjali to meet them on Jan 21, 2018 - and so Stephen asked Anjali onto his show to talk about a few controversies surrounding her experience.
According to what Steven told me, Anjali said she hadn't thought anyone would try looking for "Wayne", let alone find him. Why would anyone want to look for the man who made the most important discovery in human history?
Well, an email acquaintance of mine, James A. Conrad, did look. James wrote to me in early September claiming to have found the only builder named Wayne in the vicinity of Anjali's last known address who also owns a mountain. To be honest, I thought at first there was no way this could be the Wayne. Surely Anjali would've assigned a pseudonym to this notoriously private excavator extraordinaire?
I filled James in on everything already known about Wayne and his wife "Trisha". I figured one of the fancy houses adjoining the mountain property must belong to him, assuming Anjali's description of that fateful day was basically true. Sure enough, James's property searches found Wayne's home as well as more mountain acres and land parcels in the nearby town owned by him. Wayne developed (and continues to develop) much of the town in the 2000s.
I found newspaper articles and photos relating to Wayne's history in the town, and confirmed his wife's details through (often inaccurate) directory websites, Ancestry.com, and Facebook which seemed to indicate Wayne had been ill. (There are many family members living in the town, several with similar names, so it was necessary to sort out all the relationships - especially because Wayne's age and wife's name did not match what Anjali had said.)
In retrospect, everything lined up nicely and it seems like a simple puzzle to solve. But tracking down the evidence to support this identification took a few days.
Still, it could all be a coincidence, right?
I passed along our information to Steven Cambian who had joked on Twitter about calling construction companies in the area to ask if they owned a mountain. Not a joke, actually - he really did it. He now went ahead and called Wayne, whose reaction convinced him this was the Wayne and that was the mountain housing an alien base. Anjali confirmed it when she and Steven talked pre-interview. To be clear, at no time did Steven intend to reveal Wayne's identity and neither do I.
Where to from here? I am 100% certain there is no alien base, and 99.99% certain there will be no expedition to visit it. I've summarized my reasoning in this Twitter thread, following Anjali's comments to Steven in the interview. I believe Anjali vastly overstated her relationship with Wayne, and misinterpreted or misunderstood Wayne's role regarding tunnels and aliens and teleportation. They lost touch soon after that evening spent at his house in 2018, and only reconnected after she had already announced the expedition back to the base in July 2021. I doubt Wayne had any idea what she'd been up to online since March when she first came out on Reddit with her story - a story that places Wayne in a co-starring role. In the Sep 13 interview with Steven, Anjali was evasive and said only: "Yes, I have been in contact with him. And that’s really all that I’m happy to say about Wayne, really. I would just prefer not to discuss that too much."
Hours after the press conference in August, her partner Max said Wayne and Trisha were "on board" with the expedition.
I highly doubt this.
Anjali told Steven that Wayne would call off the expedition if his identity was revealed. I suspect the truth is closer to this: Wayne knew nothing of the expedition and will not be hosting a team of scientists on his property (which Anjali panic-tweeted is protected by armed guards) in search of aliens to the bemusement of his neighbors and the detriment of his reputation as a businessman.
Anjali has said she doesn't think the beings would lead her astray in this regard - the disclosure is on their terms, she claims, and everything is proceeding as it should. Coming back to reality for a moment: this expedition has multiple built-in points of failure, and it's only a matter of time to see which one Anjali chooses.
I've added two new pages to the Anjali section of the website:
I've also added to the Transcripts page Anjali's original Reddit post from March that started us on this transcendence journey, just for completion so it's included in any search for keywords you do on the page.
The Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization (APRO) field investigator on the scene of the Travis Walton case (Nov 5, 1975), Ray Jordan, has made a statement reflecting on his involvement. So today I'm reflecting on one deceptively tiny detail of the case that I think symbolizes a bigger problem.
Sometimes it takes 46 years for the full picture to emerge. But this particular red flag was waving in the faces of the investigators from the get-go.
Firstly, the bigger problem: when investigators think of themselves as scientists gathering evidence but act more like journalists hoping for a scoop, that's not how they're going to get closer to the truth.
Back in 1975, the different UFO investigative organizations apparently saw each other as rivals. Ray Jordan's statement unfortunately serves to emphasize this. Who has the biggest organization, who was first on the scene - these things aren't relevant to the truth. If the truth matters, then information sharing between researchers matters. Nutting out theories together matters. Welcoming skeptical viewpoints matters. This approach at least attempts to more closely mimic actual science.
For the Travis Walton case, the compass rose on a map matters. We'll get to that in a bit.
Before we look at the tiny detail that sent me on this rant, I'll address a couple of other issues Jordan raised.
Can we retire the polygraphs already?
In part, Jordan states that in interviewing witnesses and meeting them subsequently over the years, he "never saw anything that caused me to doubt the honesty of Walton or the witnesses or to think that it might be some sort of a hoax." He cites the polygraphs, like every true believer who doesn't understand why this is not evidence that supports their case.
Granting the arguable premise that polygraphs indicate truthfulness, the witnesses passed because they were telling the truth.
The polygraphs tell us that the witnesses didn't harm Travis, and did see a flying (actually hovering) object they couldn't identify. They don't tell us anything at all about whether Travis was abducted by aliens in a flying saucer.
Given the aforementioned insular information bubbles in UFO circles, it's possible Jordan never knew that only 3 months after the incident Ray Fowler (MUFON) wrote to Allen Hynek and posed the theory that two of the men hoaxed the other five with a huge flying saucer balloon. This of course explains why the witnesses were so credible - they really had seen a UFO, and they really did think Travis had vanished when they returned to search for him a few minutes later.
But it was MUFON's idea. I guess they didn't share it, or APRO didn't want to hear it.
This theory did not gain traction, overshadowed by Klass in the late 1970s who believed all seven men were lying. The two-hoaxed-five theory was revived by Karl Pflock, and now we have a ton of new supporting evidence as well, not to mention plot holes in the official story leaking like a sieve.
So, original investigators on the case who profess an opinion have a choice to make: stick with the 46-year-old story because they feel secure it was properly investigated at the time, or examine the new evidence that's since come to light (which Jordan inexplicably lumps together as "recent squabbling").
But here's the thing - in this case, there was that little red flag waving its little self at the time, and investigators ignored it.
On the case
On Saturday Nov 8th when Jordan arrived to investigate for APRO, there were (according to APRO Bulletin Nov 1975) three other organizations on the scene that same day: GSW, Center for UFO Studies, and MUFON. Four outfits were "on-site during the time that Walton was missing", and in fact Travis's book suggests GSW was first on the scene after Duane Walton called Bill Spaulding.
Regardless of who was first on the scene, and obviously I don't care, it's clear Jordan does care and I can't helping thinking this attitude is indicative of the aforementioned counterproductive rivalry.
Today Jordan wants us to know that "APRO was perhaps the largest civilian UFO investigation organization in the country (or perhaps the world)". Back in 1975, the APRO Bulletin also wanted us to know that "Ground Saucer Watch" - the name set off in derisive quote marks - was Spaulding's "own outfit". Insignificant.
While I would guess GSW's conclusions about UFOs in general were probably as silly as any other organization's, the fact is Spaulding was right in surmising this case was a hoax, although not because of the little red flag. APRO (via Jordan and then the Lorenzens) was wrong - Travis's stolen Heinlein spaceship adventure fooled 'em. Mike's emotional breakdowns fooled 'em. A complete lack of physical evidence fooled 'em.
But to get to the point of all this: while an original investigator on the case could examine new evidence so that their opinion comes across as informed, the little red flag isn't a new development. It was staring those investigators in the face on that Saturday afternoon in November as they poked around the "abduction site" looking for radiation and footprints and landing pad marks.
"Mr. Jordan interviewed each of the men and Rogers at the scene of the sighting," APRO Bulletin reported in Nov 1975. So Jordan had the piece of information in his notes. Spaulding of GSW had a similar piece of information in his notes, independently acquired. What a great idea it would've been for them to compare notes at this moment.
Let's quickly run through it: The guys were examining the "abduction site" about a quarter-mile south of the woodcutters' worksite in Turkey Springs. These locations are not mysteries. Nobody has disputed where they are. My website provides a ton of evidence to accurately locate them.
Witnesses told Jordan the UFO was seen in the northwest. Spaulding's incident report corroborates this - the truck was driving due west.
Map it out!
Maybe it's because I'm a visual person instead of a credulous UFO investigator but my first task if I went to an alleged UFO site with the witnesses would be to draw a map. To scale. With a compass rose.
Did anyone draw a map, while on the site, showing the worksite, the logging trail, the truck's approach, the UFO's position, the route of the truck's dash when Mike drove off, stopped, chased a camper trailer, and returned? There was a lot going on that night and... we've got nothing.
The investigators were working with bad information, that's true - they were misled by Mike Rogers to the wrong site - but had they actually pieced together what they'd been told, gotten over their jealousies long enough to compare notes and double-check, they would've realized their information created an impossible picture. They were told what appeared to be an obvious error or lie (though it was actually the truth, everything else was a lie) about the truck's direction of travel. Why was it allowed to stand unchallenged?
We have four UFO investigative organizations on the scene who somehow independently reconciled the impossibility that they were at the UFO site a few hundred yards south of the worksite, but that the truck was driving west and the UFO was seen ahead in the northwest to the witnesses' right.
Once we take into account the more recent admissions from Mike Rogers and John Goulette that they drove 5 to 15 minutes before seeing the UFO (not the 200 yards Jordan was either told or surmised), we can reconcile the accidentally accurate details in the APRO report. The true location of the UFO was a few miles due west along Rim Road and was indeed up a slight incline (the fire tower is at the highest point in the area). The approach is via a right-hand curve in the road, and since Travis was able to jump out of the moving truck we know Mike did slow down, no doubt to draw out the drama.
Look, I wouldn't expect an investigator to come up with the whole "fire tower 5 miles down the road" theory on the basis of a couple of incongruous compass directions. But with this red flag overlooked and buried (and it's not the only one), it boggles the mind that anyone could be patting themselves and their organization on the back for a job well done.
I did it so you don't have to, unless you already did in which case I sympathize: I listened to all Añjali's interviews over the past few weeks, and transcribed them to keep my fingers busy during the loñññg pauses.
The complete transcripts are here - all on one page to make searching for keywords easier. So, for example, to discover everything you ever wanted to know about transcending, CTRL+F transcend. Good luck finding instructions on how to transcend, because Añjali's not so keen on telling you - even though it's super important that you do.
Also included are her press conference, thanks to a dedicated Redditor, and Añjali's sort of but not really channeling from the Three and the Four on the galactic council who brought a message of caution and encouragement about separating human wheat from chaff.
The screencaps on the page are a selection of significant Añjali moments:
On Twitter I've been writing some threads about the new sensation in the UFO world, the much flirted with by Jimmy Church and Roderick Martin and Alan Steinfeld elevated consciousness known as Añjali*.
If you know me, you know I don't believe aliens are visiting Earth - so I'm not too interested in how her silly story will damage serious UFO investigation. The suicide cult angle, on the other hand...
Anyway, I created this extensive timeline of her background for future reference as this thing heats up. Anjali has pinky-swear-promised that before the end of this year she and excavationer extraordinaire Wayne will lead an expedition team of crack scientists and journalists to the alien base in a mountain in the Mojave, and bring back indisputable evidence of the existence of higher beings living there. She calls it "soft disclosure" which makes me think this evidence isn't going to be anything to write home about.
Below is a list of my untranscended Tweet storms:
I'll be honest: I'd rather continue my sensory experiential learning while inhabiting my 3rd density biotechnology than transcend with the likes of Anjali, especially if that means I get a trip to Orion out of it. However, if you're more of a transcending type or perhaps want to join Anjali's team back to the tunnel to meet actual real live ETs, you can follow her exploits here or here.
Like Jimmy Church and Peter Robbins, Anjali blocked me on Twitter - but then accepted my (accidental) "connect" request on LinkedIn. Needless to say, I'm feeling a little insecure about our relationship at the moment.
*Gave up with the tilde thing after the first one, sorry. I only have a third density keyboard.
For the past six weeks I've been corresponding with Steve Pierce, one of the witnesses to the Travis Walton incident in 1975. At the time he was a 17-year-old "new kid" in town, whose mother made him take the job on Mike Rogers' team even though his uncles and cousin had just quit because Mike hadn't paid on time.
I've updated my Consequences page with some information Steve gave (with his permission). While he didn't believe the sighting was a hoax, he has always maintained that Travis was not abducted by aliens but that the government used mind control to get him out of the truck and take him to Area 51.
Over the course of our discussion, in which he shared some personal stories about his journey with this defining event in his life, it seems he's been able to resolve a little of his cognitive dissonance with these statements:
"I never never really believed it happened the way Travis said it happened. I don't believe we went back to the same spot where Travis was zapped."
"I always knew something wasn't right about that night the night it happened."
Steve told me he has talked to Travis about certain aspects of that night, and events leading up to it, resulting in an angry response from Travis and a refusal to correct errors in his book. Steve claims Travis blackballed him from conferences for a time (by saying he, Travis, would not appear if Steve was scheduled to appear).
This incident has manifested in toxic relationships between the men involved. Travis and Mike are stuck with each other, despite a strong mutual dislike and disrespect, locked in the lie that neither can reveal without implicating themselves in defrauding the UFO community for decades.
There is a heartwarming scene in the movie Travis where Ken Peterson gets emotional upon returning to the "site" with Travis. Knowing as I do just a small fraction of how the hoax affected the lives of the innocent witnesses in the truck that night, this scene makes me sick. Travis Walton, who should've come clean the moment he handed over those National Enquirer checks 45 years ago, makes me sick.
Will he ever grow up and be man enough to admit what he did and to withstand the backlash? He has reframed his abduction as a resurrection story. I live in hope he can reframe it as a redemption story.