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Westall sighting: evidence from HIBAL project technician

6/13/2023

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As part of my research into the PR Disaster Hypothesis for the Westall school sighting in 1966, in Dec 2022 I corresponded with Steven Thorn, the pseudonymous author of a memoir about the HIBAL project whose book I cited on my Westall pages. He worked at Mildura from 1963 for four years and wrote the book around 2018 (published 2021).

Some of Steven's memories in 2022 contradicted what he'd written about a few years earlier. He flew on the tracking plane for HIBAL missions and did not recall ever going further south than Charlton VIC (250km/160mi from Mildura), despite evidence of one mission reaching Bendigo (another 100km/60mi further southeast) and in his own book a mission that reached Salt Creek in SA (315km/190mi southwest). And he "did not recall any special NASA flights", only piggybacking by Adelaide University, despite describing special NASA piggyback missions in his book. I mention these examples only to show that memory is fallible.

Steven told me the crew was "sworn to secrecy" regarding the HIBAL missions, but that there was chatter in the tearoom.
He has no recollection of any HIBAL mission being associated with the Westall incident. He cannot explain why Flight 292 (the chase plane for the April 5, 1966, flight) is missing from the pilot Curwood's logs, calling it "strange and not like Curwood" who "was a stickler for correctness in records". He suggests the flight was aborted - which is interesting because we know the mission was in fact successful (the US Atomic Energy Commission has a record of the data collected from that launch). Is it possible the flight was aborted or canceled in order to leave no record, so that other authorities could take over the retrieval of the payload following its near-miss collision with a schoolyard that needed to be covered up?

Steven developed the radio command system that was used to cut down the payload at the end of a mission, or to terminate a flight that went wrong (e.g. "likely to terminate over a built-up area"). This was functional "by 1966" and, he claims, never once failed. However, we know that the system did fail in one respect, at least once - in 1969 (after Steven's time with the project) a runaway HIBAL from Mildura traveled 1100km (680mi) all the way to Queensland because the balloon failed to self-destruct after cut-down.

He said a balloon's position could always be tracked by radar. However, the above runaway balloon was lost to radar after jettisoning the payload, since it was the payload that included the radar deflectors (according to the declassified internal RAAF report). Steven explained that if not cut down, HIBAL can float for days without changing altitude much (except to sink at night, then rise during the day as the gas heats and expands). Given he has no knowledge or recollection of anything odd happening in April 1966, he suggested that if the Westall sighting was a balloon, it may have come from South America or the USA or somewhere else.

Steven believes there's no reason he wouldn't have been working on the day of the April 5th launch but there's no means of ascertaining this. However, he did provide clear evidence that a HIBAL balloon was sighted near the school on April 6th: I showed him the drawing below, an object with a trailing hose seen by a 7-year-old witness an hour or two before the Westall sighting, 40km (25mi) away (drawn from memory as an adult). Steven recognized the object, describing the drawing as: "a balloon that was partially inflated, which would be consistent with a balloon that had been floating for an extended period and slowly leaking".
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7-year-old witness Kevin saw what appears to be a deflating HIBAL on the morning of the Westall sighting
The morning of the Westall sighting was only 16C (61F) following an overnight low of 14C, but the day before had been warmer 24C (75F). A HIBAL balloon drifting south would have have lost altitude overnight and then failed to rise the next day during the cool morning.

What can we conclude from this?

Some have theorized that what the schoolchildren at Westall saw was only the descending payload and parachute after cutdown. I doubt this for a few reasons:
  • the parachute was red-and-white striped, but no witnesses reported this coloring
  • it's hard to see how the squarish gondola could be mistaken for a flying saucer
  • the "flying saucer" was seen to bob up and down behind the pines, which matches a balloon's behavior
  • most of the descriptions do sound more like a deflating HIBAL - the drifting movement, the silvery color with "lights" around the edges, and market gardener Paul S's description of a translucent "projection".

Given what was seen (and eventually drawn) earlier that morning, it seems more likely that the witnesses saw a descending HIBAL with a slow leak - as described in my Westall pages. It's possible the small number of reports of multiple flying saucers come from sightings of the parachute. It's likely the payload ended up at the Grange, given the activity witnessed there, but it's also possible the payload had already been jettisoned hours earlier and the retrieval operation was only to recover the balloon.

Plenty of mystery remains about exactly what was seen at Westall. My thanks go to Steven Thorn for our correspondence and for writing his memoir that provided so much useful information about the technical apsects of the HIBAL project.
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Bill Chalker link
6/13/2023 10:47:09 pm

This is Shane Ryan's 4 November 2017 post accompanying the drawing you use. Note the uncertainty on the date. Kevin did feel it was morning and it may have been on or around the date of the Westall event. Also consider the winds on April 6 at Westall were apparently south westerly and southerly, meaning, I assume coming from the south, and Kevin's location was about 40 kms to the north. So perhaps the answer wasn't blowing in the wind?

Previously on this page, and elsewhere, there has been a mention of a sighting which occurred around the time of the Westall event, about 40kms north of Westall, at a place called Smiths Gully. Today, I am able to share a drawing of that object, made recently by the witness, who has shared it with me, and given me permission to post it here. While there is no certainty around the time or date of the sighting, the (only known) sole-surviving witness, Kevin, thinks it was in the morning, and on, or very close to, the day of the Westall Incident. He thinks that because the day after the sighting he recalls the children at his primary school, in nearby Panton Hill, talking about the events at Westall. Kevin, who was a child of seven at the time, has said to me that there is no way what he saw, flying very low over the apple orchard he was working at (instead of being at school!), was anything like a balloon or a parachute - descriptions he has seen applied to the Westall UFO over the years. In his words, he described his sighting over the apple orchard (where his family was renting a house, close to the orchard owners' residence) at Smiths Gully thus: "Two saucers joined together with a band in the middle that revolved and was illuminated; hose like vacuum cleaner hose trailed behind it, which may have been touching the ground it was so low; like straight out of a science fiction movie; very quiet - perhaps some humming; hovered and glided around the sky very smoothly; seemed to be coming down towards the ground near the orchard, flew very low, literally just above the tops of the apple trees; stood about 100 yards from it; nothing like a balloon, or parachute, or weather balloon; wished he had not left and run into cool room with Mrs F but had stayed and watched more." Kevin commented that he and Mrs F, the orchard owner, were so scared as a result of what they saw, that they stayed in the orchard's cool room for an extended period of time - so much so that they got very cold in there. When they came out, the object was gone. As mentioned, Kevin was a child of about 7 at the time, Mrs F was maybe in her fifties. They never spoke about what they saw to each other; Kevin never spoke to anyone at all until he saw an article about the Westall Incident a few years ago, when he told his family, and he contacted me. Again, he was only 7, and we don't have Mrs F's side of the story (well not yet at least), and memory is such a problematic thing, but he did make the comment that he will remember that day vividly - until he gets dementia! (Ironically, Kevin now lives about five minutes drive from Mildura Airport - where the HIBAL flights launched from! It's a funny old world.)

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Charlie Wiser
6/14/2023 07:45:02 am

The description and drawing from Kevin exactly match that of a deflated HIBAL with a band around it and trailing its filling hose. I would not expect a 7-year-old to know what a HIBAL looks like - and of course it does not look like a weather balloon, which is constantly cited by witnesses as a strawman - so it's not surprising he was scared and confused by it. "Straight out of a science fiction movie" is how I'd expect a child (or in fact an adult) to describe it. Another drawing by witness Phyll (at Westall) matches Kevin's drawing - the layers pancaked together with a band - so it seems likely they saw the same thing.

Wind direction does vary with altitude and given the day was "blustery" it's not beyond the realm of possibility that it changed direction within the space of an hour to bring the balloon to Westall. It's also possible Kevin saw the balloon later in the morning (after the Westall sighting) if it was not in fact retrieved at Westall, or that he saw it the day before. It's odd he wasn't at school if the sighting was an hour or two before Westall.

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mark bell link
6/13/2023 11:14:50 pm

A little girl in early video from ariel school sighting in africa said the ufo left a burnt circle in ground and some men later came and fenced it off. That was a round object not a plane and not an hallucination. Preston Dennett has a book with 100 schoolyard sightings. Little kids are more atuned until they get messed up school teachers like the author above.

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Spank Flaps
6/14/2023 03:46:09 am

“A little girl said” is a pretty low bar, for evidence of ET.
Even if kids are telling the truth, we can’t prove they weren’t spiked. Recreational drugs were rife in the 90s. As were alien movies, and alien hoaxes.
Rumours, innuendo, hearsay, all packaged into a slick documentary… but ultimately it’s useless without proof.
Also look here for an expose on John Mack, who was basically just a weirdo using sophisticated coercion techniques:
https://badufos.blogspot.com/search?q=John+Mack+

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Charlie Wiser
6/14/2023 07:52:15 am

I've never heard the story of a burnt circle in the ground and men fencing it off at Ariel. As an adult perhaps a witness recalled something different but at the time these things were not reported. My Ariel pages reproduce all the testimony of all the children and investigators so you can check for yourself what they saw.

I think you're confusing it with the Westall sighting, where some kids - as adults - reported a burnt circle(s) - but the only photos show an uneven flattened circle which the UFO investigator at the time thought was caused by wind. Nobody at Westall "fenced off" anything, but there are reports of trucks and army men in the (fenced) fields.

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