"Wayne", the excavator extraordinaire from Anjali's trapped-aliens-in-a-mountain story, has stepped forward to speak out. He is one of four witnesses to Anjali's experience whom she claims excavated a tunnel to an alien base and took her there to meet the aliens on January 21, 2018.
However, Wayne's account of events boils down to something quite different: Anjali got high, her daughter called for a wellness check, and a friend drove her home because she was not sober. How disappointing.
Wayne appeared on Truthseekers with Steven Cambian on March 12:
Fresh off of her extraordinary Brooklyn UFO sighting, which was some sort of sign from her beautiful beings, Anjali appeared on the same show the next day. Things got off to a bad start and went downhill, and the interview only lasted a few minutes.
This is the blog form of this Twitter thread, a pre-emptive defense against Anjali's various and wrong claims. Yes, I was wrong, too, but I corrected my mistake and also I'm not sending legalese emails from myself not my lawyer, threatening to sue for libel and adding plaintiffs without asking them first. (Sound familiar?)
Based on Anjali’s messages to me and others, she has some serious misperceptions about things I’ve said. I will address them so she can save herself some filing fees. I will charitably call this a case of “mistaken identity”.
Anjali’s accusations (some are libelous, she sez):
I wrote here about some earlier errors Anjali made regarding the creation and purpose of my social media accounts. The remaining accusations she’s made were in correspondence with Wayne & Trisha (2/27/22), and emails to me.
ANJALI SEZ: that I claim she’s lying about her experience.
She is WRONG.
I’ve always said I think she believes her own story about meeting aliens in a tunnel that Wayne dug. (See also this thread.)
I've maintained this view until the present: "For the most part I've taken her at her word re. her experience, and while there are people who think she's lying about everything, I've always stated I don't think that's the case." [Twitter]
Yes, I’ve said Anjali was not transparent, and was “lying for Jesus” (i.e. for a higher good), about the expedition and about Wayne. She has admitted to it:
ANJALI SEZ: “This anonymous account is also the one who suggested that… you drugged me, led me into a cave and took sexual advantage of me, and filmed it all.”
She is WRONG.
I never thought Wayne assaulted Anjali, never said it. Anjali is ascribing to me a bunch of things that other people have speculated. She is muddled, and/or others are feeding her crappy information.
From Discord Aug-Oct 2021:
I wasn’t on Discord during that initial speculation about assault. When it resurfaced in September, I ignored it.
In November, after Anjali said she’d read online speculation about assault, I said: nope.
Being drugged against her will? I said: nope.
ANJALI SEZ: “Charlie deleted many of her nasty love tunnel tweets that contained the references to drugging me, taking advantage of me in a tunnel, filming it. She absolutely tweeted that and it was reported by multiple people.”
She is WRONG.
Well, I don’t know if Anjali is wrong about what dumbasses may be reporting, but I did not delete any tweets about Wayne’s nefarious tunnel activities because I never wrote any.
(I don’t recall saying “love tunnel” - if I did it would’ve been in relation to Lavvy’s tender love.)
I searched my Twitter archive (downloaded Nov 20) for tweets deleted since that day. Any references to drugs are consensual. Nothing about assault.
Because I’m not a dumbass, I don’t hold (or tweet) diametrically opposing viewpoints at the same time.
ANJALI SEZ: that I am "the one who has suggested that someone paid you [Wayne] to cancel the expedition”
Nope. Never said it, never thought it. Maybe someone somewhere did. Can’t be bothered to look up the evidence for this bullshit.
Didn't happen. Don’t care.
ANJALI SEZ: that I claimed she & Wayne “meditated together and tripped on DMT”
Yeah loads of us speculated her mind was in an altered state.
Turns out, we were right.
ANJALI SEZ: “She worked with that porn producer Ryan Gordon to find 'Wayne' and she shared information with him”
Nope. I have not spoken with him since July. Have never spoken to him about Anjali. Did not share with him any information about Wayne. (Scott Browne can confirm.)
ANJALI SEZ: “She also doesn't think you have cancer”
Nope. More bullshit. Never thought it, never said it.
Someone doesn’t know the difference between Charlie Wiser and “random internet person saying other shit”.
Three important Twitter threads updating you on Anjali's case:
1/ There are two Waynes after all. The Wayne we found, and believed Anjali had confirmed as the real Wayne, is not.
2/ I spoke with absolutely definitely real Wayne to get his side of the story. He reached out to me after Anjali sent me a legal letter that erroneously implied he was also going to sue me.
3/ Anjali's memory of the day's timeline is completely screwed up. The confirmed ambulance call is the only piece of hard evidence Anjali has for her story. But it also confirms something else - that her memory of that day is extremely confused.
As of November 2nd, Anjali's expedition to bring back irrefutable evidence of the existence of physical ETs inside a physical base inside Wayne's mountain is "postponed". On Aliengirl111's podcast, Anjali said that when she visited Wayne in California at the end of October he revoked all access to his property.
There are two ways of viewing this story. Either we take Anjali at her word - which leaves us puzzling over the inconsistencies (not to mention Wayne's improbable naivety) - or we speculate on the assumption she's not always truthful and transparent. Which approach gives us a more accurate interpretation of what's really going on? And what happens next?
Unless Wayne speaks up with the truth, we'll never know what really happened that day in January 2018 when he met Angelia Schultz in a coffeeshop. Maybe for his own amusement he tricked her into believing he met aliens on top of his mountain and was compelled to dig a tunnel to their base. Maybe she misunderstood or misremembered his jokes about aliens. Maybe she had an experience on drugs that she later wrongly interpreted as physical aliens in a physical tunnel.
Given her manner and conviction, my impression was that Anjali believed her story when she first told it in March. But even then, things didn't add up:
At the end of July she said they'd reconnected due to a death, but on the Aliengirl111 podcast she described how she was "panic-contacting Wayne and Trisha because I [felt] nearly compelled to announce a formation of an expedition team to return to the base." Whatever compulsion she felt, the fact is this recount obscures the fact that she announced the expedition before she had heard from the property owners.
Anjali (and her partner Max) said they were on board, involved, excited, and ready:
"I've also found it absolutely fascinating how onboard Wayne and Trisha truly are." [Max on Reddit, Aug 17, 2021]
"he’s very much involved in this process... he's gonna be standing right up front beside me. So we're very excited about this whole process. They’re ready. They are ready when the beings are ready and when the team is ready." [Anjali on Jimmy Church, Aug 25, 2021]
Two months later we're told Wayne decided he would not allow anyone onto his property because he saw the negative attention another man was getting for either being mistaken for Wayne or pretending to be Wayne. He and Trisha didn't want "their private lives being threatened by... freaks" - despite being absolutely fine with their privacy being destroyed forever once evidence of Wayne's historic discovery was brought forth. Contradicting everything she'd said before about Wayne and Trisha's readiness, Anjali said the situation was "always so fragile", and that they were "very hesitant about anyone wanting on their property in the first place". [Anjali on Aliengirl111, Nov 2, 2021]
The next day she discarded the previous explanation and tweeted that Wayne revoked permission because of his health, which the day before she'd mentioned only as an aside: "by the way, Wayne, his cancer has worsened..."
Being sick or publicity-shy aren't plausible reasons to doom humanity to exile in Orion. Wayne's behavior, by Anjali's account, has been inexplicable. But that is what we're supposed to believe.
There's no evidence Wayne is a real person, although it seems likely he is. Without evidence, he's a character in Anjali's narrative and anonymous if real. She says he wants "nothing to do with it".
Reading between the lines, it looks like he never wanted anything to do with it.
If he's a reasonable man, he knows there are no aliens in his mountain eager to softly disclose themselves. If there were, they wouldn't be stopped by one man changing his mind due to privacy or health or anything else. Wayne was never going to retain his privacy; and he could avoid the stress of the expedition by taking a vacation that weekend.
Did he tell Anjali, or did he feed her fantasy? I can only hope he did tell her the truth - even if not in 2018, surely in 2021 when he discovered she'd placed him in a co-starring role.
Either she didn't believe him, or she did and ever since then has been trying to save face.
So, there are no reasons for Wayne "revoking" permission since we have no evidence he'd never granted it. Anjali says she wasn't in touch with him during her flurry of online activity in the first half of 2021 so he didn't expect people coming to his land looking for non-existent tunnels or thinking he believes in aliens. Now he seems to want it all to go away.
But Anjali won't go away: "You can’t invite a former Pentagon Defense Intelligence agent to your home and take them to meet extraterrestrials in a tunnel, and then expect they’re going to go away. That’s not going to happen." [Anjali on Aliengirl111, Nov 2, 2021]
There's no evidence Anjali devoted every waking hour, as she claims, to organizing an expedition or that she was gathering "one of the most scientifically-esteemed teams ever assembled". She can't even talk intelligently about the "equipment to measure" that would be taken into the tunnel. This unnecessarily complicated expedition was doomed to fail and many predicted it would.
She's been avoiding questions about her relationship with him (specifically, if he ever gave permission for access to his property for the purpose of meeting aliens). Her Nov 2 tweet where she says "My intentions are to press forward" with the expedition is not believable to me.
Anjali revealed this fresh twist on the message six days ago, in a series of apparently coordinated tweets that put in doubt her assertion that higher beings were the source of the information. Other than to change her profile pic and answer a question about why she follows zero people, she has not returned to address the fear or ridicule left in her wake, and nor has she posted a more comprehensive explanation on Reddit or YouTube - either of which would be more appropriate platforms.
We have only five years to learn how to upload information-rich metadata into each other's brains - a skill not one human on the planet has ever mastered. Soft disclosure was supposed to result in the beings helping us prepare for this. For some reason, soft disclosure can only take place in Wayne's mountain, and he's not interested.
Don't be surprised if Anjali stops talking about the expedition. Obviously it can never happen.
Don't be surprised if Anjali opens a meditation center in her sacred geometry home, for the purpose of teaching conscious communication with higher beings while never mentioning conscious communication between humans again.
Anjali keeps saying that fear prevents transcendence. Of course the Earth is not going to be wiped clean by the Sun in 2027, so there's nothing to fear there. Judging from Twitter, however, plenty of people do believe something like this will happen around that time. Anjali has a ready-made audience. Don't be surprised to see her feeding their fears and gathering a flock. When disclosure, transcendence, and the apocalypse fail to eventuate these are the ones who'll believe whatever new excuse she gives and dig themselves in ever deeper.
Anjali was once an earnest experiencer with poor perception, no curiosity, delusions of grandeur, and an inflated sense of her own infallibility. As the obfuscations and evasions pile up, the word fraud seems more applicable.
My perspective on the developments in the Anjali story this past week (on Reddit).
I've updated a couple of transcripts on the site that previously were paraphrased, for both Anjali's press conference and her appearance on Jimmy Kicked Me Out Before I Came In Church's podcast.
Two interesting points came to light that I hadn't paid attention to before. According to Anjali:
Again, this is all according to Anjali.
I am not convinced (not even slightly) that Wayne has given explicit permission for Anjali to return to his property before the end of the year, where she believes he dug a tunnel to an alien base. The following is based on my recent tweetstorm about this concerning aspect of her story. Rather than address the permissions issue, she blocked me.
Does Anjali have Wayne’s explicit permission to bring a team of scientists and other experts with their “equipment to measure” onto his land in 2021 and enter his tunnel to bring back evidence from the Cave of Wonders?
Let’s back up a little. Did Wayne dig a tunnel through the mountain in his backyard? Apparently he told Anjali that he did, as unlikely as that seems, after seeing UFOs then meeting two aliens on his mountain. Read about his alleged feat here.
Was Wayne yanking her chain? Embellishing a more “spiritual” experience he had while meditating? We only know what Anjali tells us and she thinks not, since she has a fuzzy memory of meeting aliens, later clarified through hypnoregression.
What exactly is Anjali’s relationship with Wayne? Has she – to use her terminology – "overstated" his support? Like she overstated her drug use, and Max overspoke Wayne’s recovery from cancer?
Anjali says she met Wayne & the aliens in Jan 2018, spoke to him briefly the next day, “exchanged several texts” but never got together. Her conscious contact with the beings increased, which I expect she told Wayne about – and “the responses stopped coming.”
Jump ahead to March 2021 when Anjali comes out on Reddit because a peaches-n-cream light being told her it was time. She had not been in touch with Wayne for 2 years DESPITE TRYING. Why wouldn’t he take a call from the lady who kept texting him about talking to aliens?
July: Despite NO CONTACT in at least two years, and Wayne not returning her calls for 4 months, Anjali announces an expedition back to the tunnel because she trusts the beings won't lead her astray regarding matters of trespassing.
Aug 10: Anjali is back in touch with Wayne! Max is asked outright if they have his permission for the expedition – you’d think this is a yes/no question, wouldn’t you? But the evasive answers begin.
Aug 17: Press conference. Anjali again does not specify that Wayne is supportive of the expedition, only of the presser itself with a vague comment about his support “in this effort”. Max adds his own odd comment later the same day:
Aug 25: A very odd thing happens. Anjali posts that she AND Max are FaceTiming the soon-to-be world’s-most-famous couple Wayne & Trisha. Then 12 days later she edits the post to remove Max’s name. I can’t explain it. She overstated Max's videoconferencing appearances?
Sep 9th: Anjali panic-tweets about Wayne’s ruthless armed guards. Six tweets, not one word about his knowledge of or permission for the forthcoming invasion of his property and worldwide exposure of himself due to having Lavvybeans in his mountain.
Sep 13: Steven Cambian asks Anjali that same direct yes/no question about whether Wayne is aware of Anjali’s expedition. We get the evasiveness we've come to know and love:
Sep 30: Anjali reiterates she trusts the beings’ guidance, with a carefully worded tweet that again fails to confirm she HAS Wayne’s permission, only that his permission would be needed. As usual, no response when I asked that pesky direct yes/no question…
Oct 1: Here comes the careful wording again. Anjali says the expedition won’t happen if permission is revoked – yet she has never confirmed permission was given. [As above, she did not explicitly confirm it during the presser, either.]
In conclusion we don't know if Anjali’s expedition has Wayne’s explicit approval. She could be transparent about it, but I kinda don’t trust her anymore. Now I kinda want actual evidence of his approval.
We have an unnamed team, no expedition date until it's over, no evidence the alien base exists, and Anjali's evasiveness about whether she CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW has his permission. It's not making much sense to me.
I've added two new pages to the Anjali section of the website:
I've also added to the Transcripts page Anjali's original Reddit post from March that started us on this transcendence journey, just for completion so it's included in any search for keywords you do on the page.
I did it so you don't have to, unless you already did in which case I sympathize: I listened to all Añjali's interviews over the past few weeks, and transcribed them to keep my fingers busy during the loñññg pauses.
The complete transcripts are here - all on one page to make searching for keywords easier. So, for example, to discover everything you ever wanted to know about transcending, CTRL+F transcend. Good luck finding instructions on how to transcend, because Añjali's not so keen on telling you - even though it's super important that you do.
Also included are her press conference, thanks to a dedicated Redditor, and Añjali's sort of but not really channeling from the Three and the Four on the galactic council who brought a message of caution and encouragement about separating human wheat from chaff.
The screencaps on the page are a selection of significant Añjali moments:
On Twitter I've been writing some threads about the new sensation in the UFO world, the much flirted with by Jimmy Church and Roderick Martin and Alan Steinfeld elevated consciousness known as Añjali*.
If you know me, you know I don't believe aliens are visiting Earth - so I'm not too interested in how her silly story will damage serious UFO investigation. The culty angle, on the other hand...
Anyway, I created this extensive timeline of her background for future reference as this thing heats up. Anjali has pinky-swear-promised that before the end of this year she and excavationer extraordinaire Wayne will lead an expedition team of crack scientists and journalists to the alien base in a mountain in the Mojave, and bring back indisputable evidence of the existence of higher beings living there. She calls it "soft disclosure" which makes me think this evidence isn't going to be anything to write home about.
Below is a list of my untranscended Tweet storms:
I'll be honest: I'd rather continue my sensory experiential learning while inhabiting my 3rd density biotechnology than transcend with the likes of Anjali, especially if that means I get a trip to Orion out of it. However, if you're more of a transcending type or perhaps want to join Anjali's team back to the tunnel to meet actual real live ETs, you can follow her exploits here or here.
Like Jimmy Church and Peter Robbins, Anjali blocked me on Twitter - but then accepted my (accidental) "connect" request on LinkedIn. Needless to say, I'm feeling a little insecure about our relationship at the moment.
*Gave up with the tilde thing after the first one, sorry. I only have a third density keyboard.
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